Ahead of a debate I am leading on the relationship between school exclusions and youth violence, I spoke to Mark D’Arcy for BBC Radio 4’s Today in Parliament.

While it is not inevitable that pupils who have been excluded will go on to become involved in serious violence and crime, we cannot ignore the link between school exclusion and social exclusion.

I spoke to Mark about my belief that we need a radical re-think of the way in which funding is organised so that we can prevent the need for Pupil Referral Units in the first place. I talk about this in more detail in my recent article for The House Magazine, or you can listen to my Radio 4 interview below: